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		<title>Review: I&#8217;m enjoying the harman/kardon AVR254</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
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As I said in my post on Upgrading to 7.1, a few weeks ago I set out to upgrade my amplifier and speakers to 7.1 &#8211; hoping to keep it under a grand. Initially the amp I was looking at was the Sony STR-DG820 which retails for $399. I considered Sony because my Projector is [...]]]></description>
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<p>As I said in my post on <a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/2009/02/05/upgrading-to-7-1/" target="_self">Upgrading to 7.1</a>, a few weeks ago I set out to upgrade my amplifier and speakers to 7.1 &#8211; hoping to keep it under a grand. Initially the amp I was looking at was the <a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&amp;storeId=10151&amp;langId=-1&amp;productId=8198552921665364791" target="_blank">Sony STR-DG820</a> which retails for $399. I considered Sony because my Projector is a Sony and they were advertised to work well with each other. Luckily, I&#8217;m somewhat of an impulsive shopper and when Best Buy didn&#8217;t have the Sony on hand, I started looking at alternatives. 30 minutes later I was driving home with the harman/kardon AVR254.<span id="more-906"></span></p>
<p>Normally I would probably do a little research before purchasing a piece of home theatre gear.  There were several factors in my deliberation that led me to take the leap and buy the AVR instead of looking elsewhere for the Sony:</p>
<p>Against the harman/kardon:</p>
<ul>
<li>The number of HDMI ports.  The Sony has 4 while the h/k only has 3.</li>
<li>Out the door it was $100 more expensive than the Sony.</li>
</ul>
<p>Pro h/k:</p>
<ul>
<li>The AVR254 has good stylings &#8211; I do like that ring of white light</li>
<li>It was on sale &#8211; while it retails for around $599, Best Buy had it for $499.  And you can find it on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016BGRX6?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=sillypedia-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B0016BGRX6" target="_blank">Amazon for around $389</a>.</li>
<li>I&#8217;ve had good luck with harman/kardon audio in a few cars and it just seemed like a higher end brand. Read on for why..</li>
</ul>
<p>The other serious factor was a con for the Sony. Earlier in the week I had visited the Sony Style store at the Forum Shops in Las Vegas.  The Sony sales people knew nothing about audio components. I&#8217;d say they knew less than me. I really got the sense from that visit that Sony is just not a good option for audio components. If the store doesn&#8217;t staff trained sales people to convince me to buy it, maybe it&#8217;s just not their strong suit.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_unbox1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-908" title="avr254_unbox1" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_unbox1-300x180.jpg" alt="avr254_unbox1" width="300" height="180" /></a></p>
<p>Of course I had just purchased an amplifier without looking it up online at all.  Before opening it I finally did do a bit of research. The AVS Forum has rumblings about firmware and problems. I read about <a href="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1053202" target="_blank">40 pages of posts</a> on the subject. Then someone <a href="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15538466#post15538466" target="_blank">asked the question</a>, &#8220;given all that you&#8217;ve learned since your purchase would you buy it again?&#8221; A great question!  Everyone on the forum said yes, &#8220;Pull the trigger!&#8221;  So I opened the box&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_unbox2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-909" title="avr254_unbox2" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_unbox2-300x180.jpg" alt="avr254_unbox2" width="300" height="180" /></a></p>
<p>One of the positives about this amp is all of the inputs.  The back has 3 HDMI inputs, 2 component video inputs, and 3 composite/S-video inputs.  For audio, there are the 3 HDMI inputs, 2 coax and 2 optical.  On the front there&#8217;s also another composite/S input, a coax and an optical. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that everything upconverts and is sent out the HDMI out. This means, for example, that while my XBox 360 only has an HD component output, it will still be switched with the amp and show up over HDMI to my projector.  This is huge. I no longer have to switch inputs on my projector (TV) and can let the amp do all the switching.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_back.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-910" title="avr254_back" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_back-300x180.jpg" alt="avr254_back" width="300" height="180" /></a></p>
<p>The main reason I purchased the AVR254 was the fact that it both decodes HDMI audio and supports all of the new Blu-ray audio formats such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_true_hd" target="_blank">Dolbly True-HD</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS-HD_Master_Audio" target="_blank">DTS-HD Master Audio</a>. As I mentioned in the <a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/2009/02/05/upgrading-to-7-1/" target="_self">Upgrading to 7.1 post</a>, these audio formats have too high a bandwidth to go over coax or optical and (unless you have this feature) are downmixed, usually to stereo.</p>
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<h2>HD On Screen Menus</h2>
<p><span style="font-family: Georgia; line-height: 19px; white-space: normal;">T</span>he on-screen menus on the AVR 254 are also impressive. Unlike other amps that I&#8217;ve seen, all on-screen information is presented in HD 1080P and is superimposed over top of whatever HD video is playing at the moment.  The menus look good.  Maybe it shouldn&#8217;t matter.  It&#8217;s just a amp menu.  But it was nice to see an HD menu system.  One place where it&#8217;s useful is that when you change the volume, it is displayed on the screen for 5 seconds, complete with a fade up and down.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_onscreen.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-911" title="avr254_onscreen" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/avr254_onscreen-300x200.jpg" alt="avr254_onscreen" width="300" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>On a certain level this superimpose thing worries me a bit. In theory the best signal to present to your projector is one that hasn&#8217;t been touched by an intermediate process.  Surely the process of superimposing the menu degrades the video quality a bit.  Well, I haven&#8217;t noticed anything yet.  The amp supports Deep Color and HDMI 1.3 and has a Faroudja <a href="http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/faroudja.htm" target="_blank">DCDi</a> Cinema processor that handles the superimposition and transcodes (changes S to component and component to HDMI) the and upscales everything up to 1080p.</p>
<h2>Upgrading speakers and adding two more</h2>
<p><span style="font-family: Georgia; line-height: 19px; white-space: normal;">I</span> won&#8217;t bore you with the 5 hour ordeal of trying to fish a single cable underneath 5 feet of hardwood flooring.  I&#8217;ll just say that it sucked and left me very tired and a little bloody.  I will however tell you about my choice of speakers. All the AVS Forum members get ready to cringe&#8230; <strong>Bose</strong>!</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bose301.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-916" title="bose301" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bose301-300x141.jpg" alt="bose301" width="300" height="141" /></a></p>
<p>Hardcore audiophiles all have an opinion about speakers. I tend to believe that some of that is like the monster cable scam&#8230; spending more money on audio cables doesn&#8217;t make them better. For speakers I believe that the price you pay is not a direct relationship to the quality of the sound. I don&#8217;t disagree that more expensive speakers aren&#8217;t going to be better. I just feel that there is a point of diminishing returns. And for most real people, especially in this economy, limited budgets are a reality.  I can&#8217;t spend thousands on each speaker or even per pair.  For me it was about getting the best sound for the money that I had to spend..     So for my front left and right speakers I went with <a href="http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/speakers/stereo_speakers/301_speakers/index.jsp" target="_blank">Bose 301&#8217;s</a>, which are $295 a pair. For the 4 surround speakers I got the <a href="http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/speakers/stereo_speakers/161_speakers/index.jsp" target="_blank">Bose 161&#8217;s</a>, which are $142 a pair. I really like the way the 161&#8217;s mount to the wall.  Integrated, easy to use wall mounts are very important.  My total budget ended up being $500 for the amp, $300 for the fronts, and roughly another $300 for 4 surround speakers. Pre-sales tax it totaled around $1100.  I&#8217;ll still need to purchase a new front center speaker and a sub. But what I have in those two areas has to suffice for now.</p>
<h2>One important point&#8230; how does it sound?</h2>
<p>At first it still sounded very flat.  I have a Dolby HD DVD test disc and a DTS Bluray test disc that I got at NAB. Initially all the tests sounded fairly flat. The HD DVD has a speaker identifier which revealed that I was only getting 5.1.  Time to check the settings.  Next I plugged in the included microphone and ran the self test setup. It did speaker tests on all 8 speakers setting the volume, delay and the tone.  It went through several cycles of tests.  Here&#8217;s a clue.. don&#8217;t run a speaker test in the middle of the night while your wife is sleeping. Just a piece of friendly advice.  After the speaker setup it sounded better, but still somewhat flat.  That was when I finally figured out to look in the Blu-ray player&#8217;s audio setup. Everything was set to downmix. Setting both Dolby and DTS to pass through allowed the 7.1 (or 5.1 in most cases) to come through.  7.1 DTS fills the room with sound.  As I pointed out the other day, some of my speakers placement isn&#8217;t perfect.  Some had to be placed where I could mount them and get cable to them.  But 7.1 forgives this and honestly surrounds the listener with an audible hologram. Whether it&#8217;s the amp or the speakers, I have to say that I&#8217;m very happy with the way it sounds.</p>
<h2>What about those firmware problems mentioned in the avsforum?</h2>
<p>I did not experience any of the problems that were mentioned in those 45 pages of posts. It could be the way I&#8217;m using the amp or maybe I just haven&#8217;t had it long enough yet. But so far so good.  I will say, however, that harman/kardon bungled the firmware upgrade process. The AVR254 has an RS232 serial port on the back. To update the firmware you have to connect that serial port to one on a PC (non-mac) computer.  I&#8217;m not sure where I&#8217;m going to get a 1990&#8217;s PC or how I&#8217;m going to get it close enough to my amp.  Luckily, as I said, I haven&#8217;t had any problems that would require me to update the firmware.</p>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>I&#8217;ve had the harman/kardon AVR 254 for about a month now. I am enjoying the amplifier and the speakers. The amp is well worth the price tag, especially if you pick one up at amazon for under $400. The setup is easy, the on screen graphics rock, and the transcoding from component to HDMI puts all my source switching on one remote. On the downside, the firmware upgrade process is out of the 90&#8217;s and I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll ever be able to do it.  But I haven&#8217;t had any problems with it so far. And therefore I give it <strong>buy</strong> recommendation.</p>
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		<title>Upgrading to 7.1 &#8211; The Real Deal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you&#8217;ve bought a nice big 1080P HD TV and a Blu-ray player. You&#8217;ve hooked it all up to your 5.1 amplifier, which didn&#8217;t suck last year, and you put in an action flick. It looks amazing, but it sounds a little flat. You might even convince yourself that it sounds good, but it doesn&#8217;t. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/71-revealed.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-891" title="71-revealed" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/71-revealed-300x300.jpg" alt="71-revealed" width="270" height="270" /></a>So you&#8217;ve bought a nice big 1080P HD TV and a Blu-ray player. You&#8217;ve hooked it all up to your 5.1 amplifier, which didn&#8217;t suck last year, and you put in an action flick. It looks amazing, but it sounds a little flat. You might even convince yourself that it sounds good, but it doesn&#8217;t. In fact, you&#8217;re audio might actually be worse than if you were watching that movie on a regular old DVD.</p>
<p>Even if you think 7.1 is an over-kill and are happy with 5.1, there is a catch-22 that might prevent you from getting 5.1 unless you upgrade to 7.1.</p>
<p>One area of my home theatre that&#8217;s always been lacking has been my sound.  I&#8217;ll admit that as a professional film and television editor, I&#8217;ve been more of a videophile than an audiophile. But a few weeks ago I set out to upgrade to a total-solution 7.1 system including some new speakers for under a grand. I only went over by a couple hundred dollars. Getting it done around that budget wasn&#8217;t an easy task &#8211; and neither was some of the wiring. There were several bumps along the way. But the process revealed a lot that I didn&#8217;t know about the new audio formats, what it takes to actually hear them, the crap I&#8217;ve been settling for, the awesomeness of 7.1 audio, the unfortunate truth about Blu-ray and 7.1 and much more.  Buckle-up because this whole thing can be a bit convoluted.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left; ">To put things in context, let&#8217;s do a quick review of my home theatre set up. I have a <a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/2008/12/26/sony-vpl-hw10-part2/" target="_self">front projector</a>, not a regular TV. That means that my TV has no speakers. But it&#8217;s not unlike most setups where the picture goes to the TV and the audio goes to the amp. My previous amp was a Sony 5.1 system with HDMI switching, but it did not decode HDMI audio. Therefore I sent the Bluray picture to the projector via HDMI and sent audio to my amplifier via coax (or optical) cable. I assumed this was at least giving 5.1 audio.  But with Blu-ray it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p style="text-align: left; ">This fancy illustration sums up my home theater and speaker set up.  The green speakers are what I originally had and the two orange ones are what I recently added to make 7.1.  Although I replaced most of the green speakers with new ones too. My center speaker and sub will be upgraded later.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/room_layout_revised.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-large wp-image-888" title="room_layout_revised" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/room_layout_revised-1024x491.jpg" alt="room_layout_revised" width="387" height="186" /></a></p>
<p>Next some background on home theatre audio.  DVD has two major high-end audio formats: Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1. Both have 6 discreet channels of audio which are shown in the 6 green speakers above. Left, Right and Center in the front, a Subwoofer (the dot 1), and two surround speakers in the back (or sides).  With properly placed speakers this allows filmmakers to place sounds in specific spots around your room, just similar to a movie theatre. Both of these formats also contain lossy compressed audio. &#8220;Lossy&#8221; meaning that the audio is compressed similarly to an mp3 file.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m on the topic of DVD audio let me mention Dolby Pro Logic.  It takes a stereo or surround encoded audio signal and matrixes it out to the 6 speakers.  For example, dialog is usually mono. So in a stereo signal, any frequency that is the same on both the left and right channels is assumed to be dialog and is placed in the center speaker.  While the music or sound effects behind the dialog will still be sent out the left and right channels. Dolby Pro Logic takes a stereo signal and does it&#8217;s best to put sounds in the correct speakers.</p>
<p>In DVD days, To get digital 5.1 audio you use a digital audio connector from the DVD player to the amplifier, either coax or optical.  When I got a Blu-ray player I just pulled out my DVD player and moved all the cables over. That&#8217;s all I could do, because my old amp didn&#8217;t decode HDMI audio.</p>
<h2>That&#8217;s where they get ya&#8230;</h2>
<p>First you have to realize that Blu-ray and HD DVD support new, better audio codecs, lossless audio, and more audio tracks. There are now many different flavors of Dolby, DTS, True-this and HD-that. In fact audio on a Bluray even supports 7.1 PCM, which is 8 discreet channels of lossless audio.</p>
<p>As I said in the intro, you&#8217;ve bought an HD TV and a Bluray disc player &#8211; so why is your sound worse than DVD? Because if you don&#8217;t have everything set up just right you won&#8217;t hear those new audio formats. Instead you&#8217;ll hear a <strong>downmixed</strong> version of the track.  And it&#8217;s probably being downmixed to Dolby Surround.  Remember Dolby Surround?  It&#8217;s basically a digital version of VHS audio.  It means stereo &#8211; with a single surround channel encoded in the two tracks. When that signal hits your Dolby Pro Logic decoder it matrixes it out to your 6 or 8 speakers, but it&#8217;s not going to sound anywhere near the 5.1 or 7.1 of the original source. It&#8217;s going to sound very flat.  And this will happen even if you&#8217;re only trying to get 5.1.</p>
<p>So how do you make sure that you&#8217;re getting the best audio you can?  The issue has two parts, and <strong>this is where they get ya</strong>. Part one is that both coax cables and optical connections have bandwidth limitations and will not support the higher quality audio formats. But most all Blu-ray discs use the new audio formats, even if only in 5.1. This means that in order to get even the 5.1 channels of Dolby True HD or DTS HD audio you have to use an HDMI connection for the audio.  AND the second part is this that in turn means that you need an amplifier that will A) decode audio over HDMI, and B) support the new audio formats.</p>
<p><strong>The catch-22</strong> is that with most Blu-ray movies, unless your amp decodes HDMI audio, your audio will be downmixed into a less than wonderful format that is lean enough to fit through the narrow pipe of coax (SPDIF) or optical. So in order to hear 5.1 you need an amplifier that decodes HDMI audio, and the only ones that do that are 7.1 systems.  But there&#8217;s an even deeper catch &#8211; so read on.</p>
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<h2>What to look for in an amplifier</h2>
<p><strong>HDMI Audio Decoding VS 7.1 Support</strong> &#8211; When I set out to get a 7.1 amp I didn&#8217;t realize that I <strong>had</strong> to get a 7.1 amp in order to even hear 5.1.  7.1 is not the requirement, only decoding HDMI audio is.  But I don&#8217;t know of any amps that decode HDMI audio that aren&#8217;t also 7.1. If you don&#8217;t have space for the extra speakers you can still use the amp in a 5.1 mode.</p>
<p><strong>Lots of HDMI inputs</strong> &#8211; With Blu-ray, HD DVD, an HD TiVo, an Xbox 360, a Wii, and a Popcorn Hour, even with my new amp I&#8217;m out of HDMI inputs.</p>
<p><strong>Audio Format Support</strong> &#8211; If you&#8217;re buying a new amp you want support for every audio format out there. Every Bluray disc on my shelf seems to have a different audio format. Dolby True HD, DTS HD™ Master Audio, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS HD, PCM, and the older formats like Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS.</p>
<h2>HDMI 1.3 Cables</h2>
<p>HDMI 1.3 is an update to the standard that supports the higher end video formats, like Deep Color, and the newer fatter audio formats.  I&#8217;ll say it &#8211; don&#8217;t spend $100 per HDMI cable.  You&#8217;ll need several for your setup.  Spend that money on a better amp or better speakers.  Buy the cheapest HDMI cables you can find.  I found some at Frys for $19.  B&amp;H has <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/518186-REG/Xtreme_Cables_71106_HDMI_Male_to_HDMI.html" target="_blank">one for $10</a>.  Even these cheap cables are 1.3 compliant.</p>
<h2>Blu-ray Player Settings</h2>
<p>Once I got my new amp and had my audio going via HDMI it still took me a day to figure out why everything still sounded flat. The default setup in my Sony S350 Blu-ray player was to downmix all audio to Dolby Surround. The screenshot below shows the correct setup, with Dolby Digital set to Dolby Digital (instead of downmixed), DTS set to DTS (instead of downmixed), and PCM set to support the max 96kHz/24bit.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/s350_audio_71.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-896" title="s350_audio_71" src="http://www.michaelsmith.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/s350_audio_71.jpg" alt="s350_audio_71" width="360" height="204" /></a></p>
<p>After making this adjustment and popping in my DTS sampler Blu-ray disc the room came alive with awesomeness.</p>
<h2>Is 7.1 Better Than 5.1? </h2>
<p>Once I flipped that switch and heard what things were supposed to sound like (in 5.1), I realized that for almost a year I&#8217;ve been watching HD movies thinking that I was hearing 5.1, when really I was basically just hearing stereo run through a Dolby Pro Logic decoder.  Audio is also louder when it&#8217;s properly coming out of 6 or 8 speakers.  It is such a drastic improvement that it makes me want to watch a bunch of movies over again.</p>
<p>AND I have to say that as vast an improvement 5.1 is over whatever I was hearing before, 7.1 is that much better than 5.1. I&#8217;ve had 5.1 in the past. During my early DVD days I had a decent 5.1 setup.  But 7.1 honestly surrounds you with sound.  With 5.1 sounds clearly come from speakers.  But with 7.1 sounds seem to exist everywhere in space around you.  With 5.1 there is a sweet spot in the room where the sound is best.  7.1 is much more forgiving and all seats have good audio.  So I feel like there is a huge difference between the two.</p>
<h2>Now For The Bad News&#8230;</h2>
<p>After getting everything set up I started looking through my Blu-ray collection for 7.1 movies to test out my new system. Surely <strong>The Dark Knight</strong> is in 7.1 &#8211; nope Dolby True-HD 5.1.  <strong>Iron Man</strong>? &#8211; nope Dolby True HD 5.1.  Same for <strong>Hancock</strong> and <strong>Cloverfield</strong>.  <strong>Live Free or Die Hard</strong> is 5.1 DTS Master Audio.  Out of around 35 discs in my collection, only 5 are in 7.1, and they&#8217;re not the ones you would expect. <strong>WAR</strong> with Jet Li and Jason Statham is 7.1 PCM, <strong>The Bank Job</strong>, another Jason Statham movie is DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1, as is <strong>Sleeping Beauty</strong>. Other 7.1 movies include <strong>Good Luck Chuck</strong> and <strong>Semi-Pro.</strong></p>
<p>A full list of 7.1 movies can be found with a <a href="http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php?keyword=&amp;audio=7.1&amp;Search&amp;action=search" target="_blank">slick search at Blu-ray.com</a>. There&#8217;s a few good titles in there like<strong> 3:10 to Yuma </strong>and<strong> Dark City</strong>. But most of them are weird comedies like <strong>Disaster Movie</strong> and <strong>Delta Farce</strong>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why <strong>The Dark Knight</strong> is only 5.1 while <strong>Witless Protection</strong> with Larry the Cable Guy is in 7.1 Seems like a waste to me. I suppose the studios are concerned that the average consumer isn&#8217;t going to have 7.1, and I they&#8217;d be right. But now I suspect the average consumer might not even be hearing 5.1. One problem is that if they put a 7.1 audio track on the disc they have to include another audio track also in case the consumer doesn&#8217;t have the equipment to support it. That means more bandwidth being taken up with extra audio formats and less for picture quality and bonus features. Although I&#8217;d rather have the choice of 7.1 than some lame BD Live game.</p>
<p>Just be aware that if you do get sucked into upgrading to 7.1, you&#8217;re sure to be disappointed by the number of titles that support it.  However, I&#8217;m still glad I upgraded. Whether it&#8217;s Will Ferrell shooting hoops in 7.1 or giant transforming robots in 5.1, at least now I&#8217;m hearing what I&#8217;m supposed to.</p>
<p>Tomorrow I&#8217;ll unbox and review my new amp, the harman/kardon AVR254, and talk about the speakers I ended up getting.</p>
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